Overheard at Trader Joe’s

So I’m in line at checkout. A vaguely foreign looking, fashionably dressed lady is checking out. Clerk is energetic, friendly, dutifully cheerful young man, making chit chat with the customers as he works. He notices her unusual blouse, and says, “I like your blouse.”

She says, “Thank you. It’s my design. I am fashion-designer.” Her accent confirms she’s foreign, but I could not identify it, perhaps Russian, but she’s dark, could be eastern European or Turkish, Iranian or something else. I look more closely at the blouse and it’s got silk-screened images of a photograph of the very woman’s own face, cut and arranged into an abstract geometric design.

Clerk continues admiring the design as he bags, and them says, “Well, it looks like you’re doing what you should be doing.”

To which the woman replies. “I am. Are you?”

The clerk is obviously taken aback, and continues bagging her groceries as he searches for a reply, which he eventually comes up with, a half-hearted, insincere-sounding, “I hope not.”

The woman offers a vague sounding inspirational message about keeping your dreams.

She leaves and the clerk greets me. I want to say, “Jeez, you try to give someone a compliment.” But I don’t say that and just say the minimum, “How are you?” “I’m fine”. “Thank you.” And I leave.

Does her reply sound as unkind to other people as it did to me? Would my offer of solidarity to the clerk have been welcome, or reinforced a message that he should feel bad about what he is doing? What kind of person takes a compliment like that and turns it around to insult the complimenter? Why should a fashion-designer feel like her accomplishments need to be recognized as greater than those of the shop clerk? A fashion-designer can be an awful, unhappy person, and a young grocery store clerk can be a happy, cool, spiritually evolved person. Why the need to define one’s self and others by their occupation? What other accomplishments has the clerk made in his young life that could easily be seem as remarkable that totally transcend his occupation?

I know there is a cultural aspect to this that I have not quite figured out. Maybe the woman is conscious of her class and was somehow offended by the person of lower social status presuming to be so forward and friendly (even though that’s typical of this culture, and especially characteristic of this store). Maybe her desire to encourage the young man was totally sincere if awkward, and only came across as an insult as a translation loss.

I recognized this pattern of conversational exchange. I have been on the wrong end of it before.

I remember once chatting with an old high-school friend who was enjoying some success in a local theatrical pursuit. I said how impressed I was, and how glad I was for her and congratulations and all that. Her response was, “What about you? Are you writing? Have you published? What’s stopping you? I am a success and so can you…” In other words, for her to be successful, it meant I had to be viewed as a failure. Words of encouragement which were rooted in one-upmanship. I had not said anything about feeling like a failure or that I was somehow in need of such encouragement. It was gloating.

I also remember another time when I was friendly with a group of born again Christians in college. They seemed so beautiful, happy. Their apartment was so warm and comfortable. They were smart and like to laugh, and they made me laugh which was why I liked them. I felt like was being all open minded. I was kind of a punk in those days — but even though my taste in music was the Clash I was open-minded enough to express appreciation for my hosts soft, easy, jazzy, Christian instrumental stuff (I think it was called “Fresh Air” but I’m having trouble finding info on it, maybe this). Point being I was trying to be a good guest by complimenting them on the stuff of their lives they were sharing with me. Which they immediately saw as an opportunity for some Christian evangelizing (what did I expect?): “We’re blessed. And so can you, if you accept Jesus… You can have all of this and more…” basically was their message. They immediately assumed that because I was being a cordial guest paying them a compliment, that meant I was somehow expressing regrets for my own sorry life. I was far too well behaved (some punk, I know) to do what I should have done, something like piss on the record collection.

But Jesus Christ, can’t people take a compliment?

This makes me realize a bias I have. To me, evidently, the only proper way to accept a compliment is with humility. To not express humility in the face of a compliment, and worse, to express pride in that which is being complimented on, seems to offend me enough to want to piss on people’s records, or at least blog about it. Maybe this is not the only or even best way to receive a compliment, but it’s where I come from. (Some Christians my hosts were.)

I’ve over-thought it, I know. But I would welcome any other aspects to this dynamic or this anecdote if anyone has anything to share. I’m sure I’m missing something, and I grant that this story reveals as much about my own prejudices and insecurities as it reveals about anyone else.

Anyway, that happened.

BTW, try the lemon crisp cookies from TJ’s!

6 Comments

  • I have to admit, the first thing I thought when I read the narrative was to imagine that the designer was NOT trying to insult the guy. If she assumed that his job wasn’t defining him, took it for granted that maybe he was happy and evolved or whatever, that there was nothing inherently degrading or wrong with what he was doing– if that was her starting point, then maybe what she said could be taken at face value. Why did I think that? Well, I wasn’t there, and didn’t hear the tone, etc. Also, I’m always shocked if I realize someone is being casually, reflexively cruel. When that does happen (and I know it does, often enough) it usually takes me some time to realize it. My assumption is that people will be reflexively self-deprecating (even if it is insincere and therefore not really so virtuous). I’m permanently uncertain as to what she really meant to do…If you sensed she was being insensitive, maybe that’s what it was.

    As to how to respond, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have been poised enough to do this, but maybe it would have been cool to say something that would reframe it ‘as if’ she meant it as encouragement, no matter what the hell she might have really meant.

    Damn those christians, too.

    Anyway, the generic situation you are describing, of having one’s generosity and appreciation of someone else be misunderstood as weakness and then attacked, is something I get. Horrible.

    BTW, the fact that her shirt was composed of a mosaic of repeated images of herself is almost too good a detail to be true, if she was indeed narcissistic. Are you sure you didn’t dream that part?

  • I noticed her face first, as I was trying to determine her ethnicity. Then I looked at the blouse when the clerk called attention to it. It was cropped enough to be a little bit abstract, but those were the same eyes. I may have filled in the rest and it could be that it was not her own face, but it looked like it to me.

    In one sense, the clerk opened the door by introducing the idea of “doing what you’re supposed to” — that was him not her. And maybe that way of looking at things is the result of his own thinking about what he should be doing. That’s possible. If so, and she was picking up on that, then I could see her response as more supportive.

    But he was so cheerful and she was so cool and taciturn I couldn’t help hearing it the way that I did.

  • Plus, of course, this probably has nothing to do with them but something about my own ideas about boundaries, small talk, career satisfaction, etc. And I’m lately fascinated by the idea of cruelty disguised.

  • I would think that one would have to take into consideration your very body language and the tone of your voice. People react reflexively to that, and not to the very words said.

  • Kiffster wrote:

    Just a stranger passing by…came across this by fluke a la google, but am incredibly intrigued.

    Personally, I would be flattered to have that conversation with her. Based on what you have described, nothing seemed offensive to me; it would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the clerk answered “yes”. Who knows, maybe the act of being forced to acknowledge his current position in life created a change of epiphanic proportions and he’s chasing his dream of being a stunt helicopter pilot…either way, breaking that “9-5″ chain of thought is always healthy in my opinion, no matter how bluntly it reaches us.

    As a spectator, you can’t help but imprint your own lived experience on what you see in the world around you. Perhaps that’s why you viewed this interaction as negative?

    I’m currently in the last semester of my fine arts degree, and just finished a conversation about something similar to this…hence my compulsion to comment. Oh, and about the creepy face-blouse? I wouldn’t look into it too much. Artists have to be egotistical to a certain degree…it’s how we survive. If you aren’t confident in yourself, especially your work, why should anyone else be?

    Anyways, thanks for the chat.
    Sorry for any rambling. :P

  • Thanks for more insight, Kiffster. I appreciate the suggestions that I could have been more generous and positive in my interpretation and response.

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